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2016 campaign and russia, special counsel john durham released his findings yesterday, a 300-page report. and in it, durham, who was first appointed by that attorney general william barr in 2019, accuses the bureau of acting negligently but did not reveal any bombshells, as many republicans had long claimed he would. durham found no evidence the justice department and the fbi conspired in a deep state plot to investigate trump's ties to russia in 2016. in addition, durham did not recommend any wholesale changes at the fbi. the special counsel also appears to relitigate two of the cases he lost that went to trial, in which he brought criminal charges. the durham report has been contradicted by two of the reports, including one released in 2020 by the republican-led senate intelligence committee. the committee's report as well

as one from the justice department watchdog found the fbi's investigation with some laws but warranted. and said the trump campaign closed a counter intelligence risk to the u.s. by opening itself to foreign influence. >> let's bring in our washington correspondent for the new york times, michael smith. michael, this is a four-year investigation, investigating the investigators. this is a guy that really iterated time and time again, trump news papers and trump tv networks get humiliated by following a lot of, sort of, the bread crumbs that he sprinkled around. and time and time again, he had nothing to show for it. now, there seems to be this argument, oh, with the fbi, the republicans want to defund the fbi because they even launched this investigation. i want to go back and just underline what micah just said there. this is from 2020, after marco rubio in the senate intelligence committee put out

a report, that the report is language offers a stark analysis describing trump's campaign as a, quote, grave counter intelligence threat. let me say that again. describing trump campaign, paul manafort receptivity to russian outreach as a, quote, grave counter intelligence threat that made at the campaign susceptible to, quote, malign russian influence. this was marco rubio and other members of the republican senate committee, the intel committee, saying this. and yet, the conclusions that are drawn here, again, they really seem -- it just seems to be a complete dug. once again, another dug by john durham. >> you raise an interesting point there at the end about the senate intelligence committee report that was put out by marco rubio. that was among the most damning

documents that came out about trump's ties to russia. and it had been put out by rubio who was in charge of the committee at the time. i've never really understood the durham investigation. to me, it seemed like a way of the justice department trying to buy off trump, and tell him that they were doing something to look into these allegations that had come up throughout his administration about what had gone wrong inside the russia investigation. it always seemed to me likery, e of look at how the fbi, you know, proceeded, would be done by an inspector general to sort of look and say, okay, we did a massive, really important, politically-charged investigation. here's what we did right, and here's what we did wrong. and i think what really hurt durham in the end is the fact

that he brought these two cases to court against these two individuals in connection with the dossier and lost. and we talk a lot these days about what it means for a prosecutor to lose with a potential for a prosecutor to lose. and in the case of durham, we saw what that meant. he really took a lot of the air out of his investigation. it allowed those who have been critical and skeptical of the investigation to look at it and say, oh, what was this really all about? and when he went to trial and had to air his evidence, it did not really hold up in a way that certainly lived up to the expectations that trump had set for the durham investigation. he had trumpeted this thing. he talked about it publicly and privately. and really was banking on it as helping him win reelection all

the way back in 2020. >> so, michael, this underlines the justice department's 2019 inspector general michael hurwitz launched his own investigation and found that, yes, there were flaws in the way that the fbi did its investigation, but ultimately that that investigation was warranted. and so, the fbi made changes. and they said that yesterday in response, they said yes, mr. durham, we know all of this. we took this into account several years ago, and we've made changes into what we are doing here. at the end of the day, for people watching who are trying to remember everything that got us here over the last seven years or something like that, what is the take away, what is the end result of all of this, what do we know about collusion or alleged collusion between the trump campaign and the russians? >> i think what we know is that the trump campaign invited this help from the russians. we know from our own eyes and from watching that donald trump asked russia to help him, he

did that very publicly. and in doing so brought a lot of these questions on himself. you know, people will say, oh, the media did this, or the fbi did this, or such, but it was donald trump on the campaign stump that asked russia, if you are listening, to try and help find hillary clinton's emails. and i always go back to that moment because if you were the fbi in 2016, or you are an average american watching this, or you remember the media, it was hard to look at the fact that he had invited that help along with the fact that russia was actively attacking the american democracy, and sort of saying, what's really going on here? so, it required people -- you know, people said, what is the real answer? so, a lot of people in a lot of

different ways tried to answer that question. and there were different things that we're going on. trump was trying to do a deal with -- in russia at the time through michael cohen. trump's son, don jr., meets with these russians during a campaign about dirt that they said that they had on hillary clinton. you ultimately have the first national security adviser of trump lying to the fbi about his contacts with the russians, and then go to court to plead guilty to that. so, there or a lot of different things that came out in this period of time that we're curious, in that as an average citizen, it's difficult to look at and say, okay, i can accept that on face value. >> washington correspondent for the new york times, michael schmidt, thank you very much for your reporting this morning. >> coming up, new polls show florida governor ron desantis will do better than donald

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>> some new numbers show florida governor ron desantis would present a tougher general election challenge to president joe biden than donald trump. i know we've been talking about this for sometime. donald trump, you talk about the cnn town hall meeting, what did he need to do in that cnn town hall meeting? he agitated a lot of people in the media, agitated a lot of people on the left, agitated a lot of democrats. but there's a reason why the biden white house was cheering on that town hall meeting because he was angering a lot of swing voters. he was driving away a lot of independents. he was offending the very people in the suburbs of atlanta and philly and detroit and milwaukee. the same people that he needed to pull in on his assigned.

and it is showing up, in the polls, according to a new survey from a republican-led research firm, public opinion strategies, one of the most respected in the gop, the florida governor's neck and neck in biden in four swing states. that republicans have won since 2004. now, look at these numbers and you tell me what republicans want to drive off an electoral cliff with donald trump again. i don't think they do, by the way. in colorado, the polls show joe biden crushing donald trump 49 to 39%, which he would. but look at desantis, look how much closer he is, it's within the margin of error, three points. in minnesota, the survey shows biden pouncing trump by eight points, 48 to 40. but there is ron desantis, again, in a statistical dead heat with, moving on, the next

state, new mexico. now, new mexico, biden is crushing trump even more, 49 to 38%. but once again, in new mexico, margin of error, with desantis and biden tied. and in virginia, biden leads trump by seven points according to the survey. but is in a dead heat 44 to 44 with ron desantis. and this ain't rocket science. it is just not hard. donald trump does everything he can do to drive off independents, to drive off swing voters, to drive off educated women that are in the suburbs, everything he can do. and you look at these poll numbers by public opinion strategies, i've known glenn for 30 years and now, one of the best pollsters in the business, donald trump is succeeding. he is driving away swing voters. >> yeah, the only thing i would

say about ron desantis at this point is he really hasn't been beat up yet. a lot of those people that were polled know that name, and they really don't like donald trump. so, they are saying, yeah, we like ron desantis better than donald trump. but desantis hasn't been defined. he's gonna get really hurt in this primary process because trump will go after him, you know, with everything. he's gonna take a two-by-four up to his head to say nothing to the other people that are going to run, that will go after desantis also, because he is in fact after trump, the most viable candidate. so, by the time, if desantis wins that primary, and i am not saying he couldn't or may not, he's gonna be a different candidate than he is right now. he will have a lot of the baggage that biden has that keeps him below 50 in these polls in states that have been recently pretty reliably blue.

>> i mean, the point is, though, jonathan lemire, right now, trump is saying ron desantis is finished. right now, we are hearing some people in the media saying ron desantis is finished. it's early. at this point, people are writing the same stories about john mccain going into the summer, saying that he was broke, he was having to fire staffers left and right. everybody is talking about rudy hillary matchup a year later in 2008. that never materialized. my take away from these both, not about ron desantis, but it is about donald trump. again, he has succeeded wildly in offending the very swing voters he has to get on his side to get reelected in the general election. and he's just not doing it. and my belief has been for sometime if you voted for trump in 16 and you went to biden in 20, you are not going back to trump in 24, because what has happened since 20, january 6th?

the indictments, lining up one after another after another. and by the way, people just -- it may, again, have that 33%, love the guy more. what does it make? you know, does it make a woman in atlanta love you more? does it make women in philadelphia love him more? add on top of that the dobbs decision. you add on top of that him talking about terminating the constitution. you add on top of that him mocking e. jean carroll. you add on top of that him being found liable for sexual assault, sexual abuse against e. jean carroll. you add on top of that him saying in his deposition and at the town hall meeting -- yeah, these stories, this weather able to do. for millions of years, we've been able to sexually abuse

women. with no apologies, with no apologies. trump is succeeding beyond his wildest expectations. if his goal is to drive down his numbers with independents and swing voters, and once again lead the republican party to another loss. >> the town hall is a perfect microcosm of this -- they beat their chest about how they won, they got one over on cnn. the base loves it. okay, maybe the baseless it. but tell me what independent, swing, undecided voter is going to take anything from that town hall and say, you know what? this time around, i'm going back to trump. it is hard to imagine that could be the case. and it is making stronger in the primary, okay, maybe. but it is certainly not helping him next year in the general election showdown with president biden. and it is still so early. it is may of 2023. there are some candidates who haven't even jump in the race yet, not just governor desantis, but we expect vice president pence to get in, senator tim scott to get in, probably a few

others. so there's lots of twists and turns to go. and on desantis, there is, of course, the media loved the comeback story. he is sending himself up for that. at least, he could be. the clearest point, he hasn't really been vetted yet. he is still an unknown. he could easily get beaten up. certainly, having a tough go and for that in recent weeks. but the theory of the case has always been, i can be that guy who can beat biden. i am more electable than trump. i bring the good things of trump without the baggage. and his team pointed, those both can point to that, and at least beginning to spring the narrative of their course correcting. >> talking about the cnn town hall meeting, what else happen and that cnn town hall meeting, it took care of one of biden's problems that we were discussing a couple of hours ago on this show, and that is that the most loyal parts of his base aren't revved up. what happened after the town hall meeting? a lot of people woke up. jeffrey katzenberg, news came out the morning after, saying i

am going to provide whatever resources are needed to help joe biden win this election because it is so critical. that happened all across america. he talked about how he was a political earthquake, how it happened showing donald trump's side. that wakes up a lot of people that might disengage now. >> no doubt about it. donald trump was accused of giving to joe biden. and i think that ron desantis has to be careful that in trying to out trump trump, that he doesn't start offending some of the independent voters, for example, with the positions that he is doing with this knee, what he is doing in terms of woman's right to choose, and migrants. and now he's getting the case of jordan neely in new york, the subway victim. he's raising money or at least endorsing to raise money. he cannot make himself more on palpable than donald trump is

by trying to out trump trump, all of that, i think, helps biden. so, in many ways, energizing some of the voters. you and i talked about some of the voters, black voters, how they felt less than enthused. they can create that enthusiasm and energy by taking shots like banning books in florida on black studies, and like i said, this case that's going on in new york. they can wake up a base that says, well, i don't know if i am energized enough, but i certainly don't need to have these guys in. and i think that trump certainly does that. and i think desantis is flirting with fire himself with some of the things he is doing with florida and putting his toe in the water in new york and other places. >> coming up, a top republican says he has lost track of one of the alleged informants of his investigation into

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>> the republican-led oversight committee is claiming, of course, without direct evidence, that president biden's family engaged in elaborate of influence peddling scheme. the sheriff back committee talked about those allegations in an interview yesterday, and ended up admitting they've lost contact with the submarine. now, with the informant who made the initial claim -- >> you have spoken with whistleblowers. you also spoke with an informant who gave you all of this information. where is that informant today? where are these whistleblowers? >> well, unfortunately, we can't track down the informant. we are hopeful that the informant is still there.

the whistleblower knows the informant. the whistleblower is very credible. >> hold on a second, congressman. did you just say that the whistleblower, or the informant, is now missing? >> well, we are hopeful that we can find the informant. remember, these informants are kind of in that spot business, so they don't make a habit of being seen a lot, or being out of profile, or anything like that. nine of the ten people that we have identified that have very good knowledge with respect to the bidens, one of three things, maria, they are either currently in court, currently in jail, or they are currently missing. >> so, comrade, you are telling me you lost another submarine? [laughter] come on, you lost the informant. the guy you claimed gave you all this information, that you

built this entire show right on. wait, do you and durham, do you guys have tea parties every weekend, to talk about how you can destroy your reputations and your careers? durham tried this, remember? he created conspiracy theories to try to prove that the fbi was corrupt and rigged in the 2016 election, made a fool of himself time and time and time again. and now, we have lost informants, in fact, the informant that this entire charade was supposedly built on. this was a post on twitter by mark zaid, i've represented whistleblowers in the intelligence committee for more than 25 years, and never lost one. never lost one. really, i don't really surely know where to begin with this one, except for the fact that we had all of this breathless, breathless huffing and puffing

about the fbi being corrupt, and staging january 6th, and spying on donald trump. and then, you had all of right-wing papers, trumpy papers, saying that durham was proving that hillary -- and then, all of that ended up being a lie. durham made an absolute full of himself and had to shut down the investigation. and now you have comer who said, oh, we have this informant who we built this entire case on, but we lost him. it is more of the same? >> yeah, the hunt for the great white whale is not going well, is it? i mean, it's never a good thing when you actually use your informant. james comer has been making one big promise after another. he has been saying, you know, we are gonna have this big, big bombshell. well, what's pretty obvious is, he doesn't have a bombshell. he doesn't have the smoking gun. he doesn't have evidence. and he's lost his informant. i mean, this is beyond embarrassing. but this is what happens when you have an internet meme and,

you know, a fox news narrative that comes up against actual reality, when people say, show us the evidence, do you have something you've been promising us something really, really huge, something that's gonna change everything. and james comer continues to be all hand-no cattle when it comes to this investigation. and by the way, maria bartiromo is saying to you, are you kidding me? you don't have evidence. when maria bartiromo is questioning the credibility, you know how bad things are. >> and hunting for that is also good reference, i'm also reminded of that classic episode, when terry goes to the car counter, it says one thing to take -- but you also got to hold the reservation. in this case, you've also got to hold an informant. you have to hang on to him to make sure he actually can cooperate with your investigation. but it seems to be, furthering on charlie's point, a moment where just that party just seems out of touch with what

people care about. they've been promising this biden crime family scare quotes investigation for a long time. we know that there are some legal matters with hunter biden. that is a separate issue. and we know that investigation is entering its end stages. but just blanket conspiracy has never been much traction, it didn't work in 2020, what are they thinking now? >> first of all, listening to that conversation, i mean, it may as well, via mad libs, he could be talking about ufos. i mean, we heard from them. now, we don't know where they are. it's hard to keep track of them. what really are we talking about here. i, mean the interesting thing is from a disinformation perspective. this was one of the rare moments of lucidity, as joe said a moment ago, where you actually the seat of the upper is no close, and that this is all bump. this is based on absolutely no real evidence whatsoever because, of course, we know that you don't just -- whistleblowers don't just go

missing suddenly. so, this is absurd. but it is also a moment to recognize that most americans have no idea. they are not collude into these ginned up conspiracy theories. this is for a very small, specific audience in the republican base, that can be animated by these conspiracy theories. so, i think the rest of america is going, what are you talking about? i am looking at the price of life and living in this country. i am interested in that border. i am interested in jobs, in housing, in security, in how i'm gonna feed my kids and make sure that they have a better life than i did. nobody cares about these conspiracy theories except for the small part of the republican base that is controlling the republican party like a tranquil twist at this moment, it seems. it's a bizarre situation, not

just politically, but culturally. most americans are thinking, what are these people talking about? >> coming up, the ceo of an artificial intelligence company, urging congress to take action, before it is too late. the chairman of the senate judiciary subcommittee, senator richard blumenthal, joins us next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ing your favorite subs. why mess with the sweet onion teriyaki, chuck? man, this aint messin', it's perfectin'! with marinated chicken and double cheese. sweet and savory... ...kinda like you and me, chuck. bye, peyton. try the refreshed favorites at subway today.

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looking to regulate artificial intelligence. yesterday, senate judiciary subcommittee held a hearing on the growing technology and its risks. the chief executive of the company behind the popular tool chatgpt testified and urged lawmakers to regulate the increasingly powerful a.i. technology. joining us now, the chair of that subcommittee hearing, democratic senator richard blumenthal of connecticut it's good to have you on this show this morning. i'm curious what did you learn further during this hearing about the dangers of a.i. and if the ceo actually offered any, really, sensible solutions that can make it safer? >> thanks for having me, mika. and i think one of the really historic aspects of this hearing was that sam altman and a senior executive from ibm, and another leading expert from the private sector, all agreed

that we need rules and regulations in light of the really scary prospects raised by a.i., not only in deepfakes and voice cloning, but also, it is locating people from jobs, displacing them from work, work training. and sam altman was really sincerely alarmed in urging us to maybe have some kind of licensing, rules targeting federal agencies, to do this kind of regulation, even provide nutrition labels and warnings. so, i think it was a good beginning by no means, the inclusion. and it is laying the groundwork for action going forward. and there clearly is a need for action. >> senator, good morning. i think a lot of people listened to the testimony from the ceo yesterday, chatgpt, who

was imploring you guys to do something about that technology he has helped create and proliferate. i guess that question is, what legislation can control this genie that is clearly out of the bottle, trying to legislate and help young people like facebook, snapchat, instagram, all the problems that come with that, without much success. so, what kind of legislation possibly could control, or at least put some guardrails around artificial intelligence? >> we question. first of all, avoid the mistakes of the past. and i am ultimately are with those mistakes because i'm involved now to try to correct some of those abuses on social media, as you and i and others have talked about, the kids online safety act, which would help protect children against the toxic content driven at them by algorithms, very much like a.i. devices. and learning from those mistakes of the past, means number one, hold them responsible, accountability is

really important. second, transparency, open up those black boxes so that we know how a i works. and limits on use. there are areas where the risk is too high for a.i. to be permitted. for example, election and the potential for this information on the day of the elections, or places where people are supposed to go and vote. so, these kinds of risk targeted rules from a federal agency may be licensing, a scheme of permission, much like we do with drugs, the fda, the food and drug administration, with use and licenses, drugs in effect. so, these kinds of ideas i think are practical. >> so, senator, how do members of the united states senate and the united states house of representatives go about proposing legislation over an item in our culture right now, artificial intelligence, where

more is unknown about that topic then is known. how do we do that? >> more is known, because technology is advancing so quickly. so, we need to work together. and one of the really encouraging features of yesterday's hearing was strong bipartisanship. senator hawley is the ranking member on that subcommittee that i chair. other republicans participated very constructively. if you closed your eyes, you probably couldn't have tell whether it was a republican or a democrat asking a question, or making comments. and by the way we, if you closed your eyes at the very beginning of the hearing, you couldn't have told that we were playing a voice call of myself in introducing the hearing. it was eerie, even creepy. and no one, in fact, can tell

that it was a clone. i think it is one of the more scary moments in the united states senate hearing history. >> yes, all right, democratic senator richard blumenthal of connecticut, thank you so much, greatly appreciated. willie, i thought that happened to me, i thought somebody had done it with monica's voice. i said, this is so creepy. >> i'm trying. >> but it was -- you know i think they would rather have a hologram. chatgpt -- so they don't have to come in. >> but david, this is everywhere, right? i went to, it was wonderful i was able to go last night to jack's middle school graduation. and they had a senior come in and talk and say, you're going to the high school -- he gives all the advice, and then the last thing he says, oh, yeah, the honor code here, very rigorous. don't even think of using chatgpt on your term paper.

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i think he knew because he would die young, i would talk about him. naked. >> wow! last question. >> he was gonna! >> he was skinny? >> yeah! >> only and he gets information like that out of people. that is of course jane fonda playing plead the fifth on bravo's watch what happens live with our friend andy cohen, and eddie joins us now. he's the author of the new book, soon to be a bestseller called the daddy diaries, the year i grew up. andy, it's so good to see you, ma'am. >> can i pick a bone with you? >> what did i do? >> he used to be able to get a bagel or something around here? it looks like you are closed for business. >> it is sparse. >> can we get him something? >> i'm fine now. i got something on the way home. >> can we get a coffee? >> i got on the way here. yeast have coffee here! two >> weeks to put out some pastries. >> 7:40 in the morning. right?

>> and andy cohen is making us better here. >> can the folksway star roy cop here? >> good morning. >> good morning, great to see you. i never heard that about michael jackson skinny dipping. >> i had heard nuances of it, but jane was on one last night. the ladies from book club came and they were drinking the aperol spritz. >> that's what happens in the clubhouse. >> that is. >> you have been so nice to invite me on many many times in the last ten or 12 years. i was on i think last week. rachel food of real housewives of new jersey, which i love. one thing i noticed last time, and this gets us to your book, which is usually you kind of hang out after the show, and any would be there, but i found myself doing tequila shots after the show with rachel and her husband jon looking around saying, where is andy? and he has to get home to the kids. and that is the new andy. >> that is the new andy.

is a whole new me. in the book, it's a year in my life, it was inspired by the anti-warhol diaries. i published two other diaries. >> trilogy. >> trilogy. this one is different because i'm not a single father of two, and so with all of the name dropping in all of the polarity and backstage stuff and pop culture stuff, there is raising two kids. and i now, yes, i have to race home to be with them after the show. it is not all fun and games anymore, willie. >> and as you write in the book, it's not just that you have to, it happens to all of us, as parents, this homing beacon turns on what you want to get back there. bin is for, and lucy just turned one, right? >> exactly. >> congratulations. >> thank you very much. >> so how are you doing it? how are you managing it? >> moment by moment. >> we both have two kids, doing it on my own, but you have help, but you are a single parent. what is that been like for you? >> it has been a lot.

it's been the most gratifying thing that has ever happened to me. i feel more grounded than ever. there's a last part of the book, anderson kind of stiffs me after new years eve. cnn will not let us drink, and so we get off the air, and i am so ready to drink, like mainline tequila, but he's like i think i'm going to go home, and here i am on new years eve, and then i realize, you know what? this is the only place i need to be. i'm not good. and so my priorities have totally shifted, and it's a beautiful thing. later in life to be re-framed, how beautiful? >> you write in the book, and it's great, as all these books are, and you are so honest, and you say that it is a little bit lonely if you're being honest. not to be with your kids, you love, that but there is a loneliness to it. then you've never felt before, because you are such a social animal. >> yes, and i'm also kind of masking my feelings. i'm feeling everything right now. wow. >> so tell me about those lonely moments. >> well look, i think the

parent can relate to that feeling of, it's some ungodly hour of the morning, and you're having a fight with a three major like you cut there -- like what is happening to me? but yeah. >> there are moments. we all have it, we all have it. you also, you write about the moment that you brought lucy home and the book and you say there were two parties that night. great parties that you would have and you pass been, like i have to go, find a sitter, but you realize that we got lucy home, and you go actually know, this is where i want to be right now. >> this is great, exactly. they have to say that having a second child, it further grounded me obviously to my home, but obviously, it just feels, there is no greater satisfaction if i take them but out for ice cream or something, it feels so cool to be with

both of them and to watch them together. and he is half the time trying to kill her and at the time trying to hug her, but she has learned now how to push him away, which is a incredible thing. >> put on the blinds, that's good. >> it is how micah is with joe. she has learned to push them away. >> oh, she learned that a long time ago, didn't you micah? >> i did. but look, it is like herding cats. but the you talk about the year that you grew up, or was at the moment that you grew up. i am obsessed with your instagram and your relationship with these two little ones. it is so beautiful. i'm just with your daughter, she is so cute, i can't even stand it. andy -- >> thank you mika was it a transformation that was immediate, or did it take a few steps? >> well i think, the funny

thing is that when i had one, i felt a mastery over the situation. when you bring a second one and, all chaos ensues. you know, i really felt like i had it. i know where he is at all times, and now, i feel like if i just spent three hours with him, oh my gosh, i have spent not nearly enough time with her, and so it is a batter -- battle also of time and all times, which i know people can relate to. >> but at this stage, it's like, i remember this, because i was working as well with a one year old and a three-year-old. you don't know what to do when. and literally, that is the constant in your life. >> that's exactly right, yes. would you characterize willie as a one year old and joe as the three year old? or what is that? >> you might flip that. let's see what she says. >> you know what, i will leave it right there. maybe they are both -- they're actually great. they're great. i am leaving it there.

>> she's literally putting it to bed. >> you said something, i think it wasn't people a couple days ago, which was so sweet were been came team and said, daddy, i think we should have another daddy here. not saying replace, you but bring in and de chantle daddy so what did you take out of that? >> well i thought it was interesting. i think his gator is really great. wow, this kid knows. he's not thinking that i'm bringing a woman home and -- >> i didn't think of it that way. >> >> it was brilliant. and he and cooper are buddies, and so he sees other gay parents and i thought it was great. >> you mentioned anderson, and you all are going -- anderson cooper for people watching at home. you guys are having this periods together, sharing notes, and -- >> it's incredible. i'm leaning for his son to be a three nature, because it's not the terrible twos, it's a terrible threes.

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>> welcome to a second hour of morning joe weekend. we have much more of the week's top stories. take a look. >> disney announced it is scrapping plans now for a new employee campus in florida. in a memo, the chair of

disney's parts and experiences division said that the decision was based on quote, changing business conditions. the billion dollar project would've brought 2000 jobs, 2000 jobs to florida from california. a spokesperson for the governor response in new york times with an email questioning disney's commitment to the project and criticizing the company's financial situation. california governor gavin newsom posted on twitter that the doors open for disney to bring this jobs back to a state that represents the values of its workers, that is what he said there. donald trump of course weighing in as well, and he said on the campaign email, highlighting a person's social media platform from last month and said that disney could stop investing in the state. trump also called the decision by this hand us to take on disney a unnecessary political stunt. and so here, claire mccaskill, you have gavin newsom aligned with donald trump and criticism of ron desantis, again,

appearing to be, except to a small sliver of the base of voters for on desantis, a colossal mistake is now money and jobs are not coming to florida because of the fight with disney. >> yeah, the obvious hit on desantis for this entire presidential primary campaign is that he represents big government. he represents anti business. he represents telling people what they can read and what they can learn and all the stuff that he thought was going to beat the ticket to his oval, as it turns out, he was kind of looks like a mini me of trump. and if you can't really handle this, i have to tell you, i don't think there is a lane for him. i don't think that it opens up. i think trump ends up with most of the voters who think that it's really good thing to ban books and to attack the biggest taxpayer, the biggest business in florida.

>> and so matt lewis, obviously there is some virtue signaling to a certain portion of ronda sanders voters support, his base, but in the big picture, this remains absolutely confounding, this decision to go and fight with the largest private employer in your state, this icon that is transform the state of florida brings obviously all of the tourism and money that comes with it. to pick this fight because his feelings were hurt the disney criticize a piece of legislation he put forth last year. is there any explanation for it at this point, other than to just sort of nod to a certain percentage of voters he thinks he needs to keep close? >> yeah, i think that initially, ron desantis wanted to position himself as someone who was like trump, except more competent, and more confident and not only winning elections, but sort of executing the culture war. so going after disney, i think he saw, i don't call it a stunt,

but something would help boost him and elevate him as a real fighter fighting and winning the cold war. and it just didn't work out the way that he planned. and now it has escalated, and it is becoming a quagmire. i don't know how he gets out of it. he is now fighting a two front war, really a three front four. he's got disney, he has gavin newsom, and he has donald trump. everybody is criticizing him. and look, when does this end? he can do this forever. there could always be a big project that disney was going to roll out, but now they are not going to. and additionally, you have people like mike pence who are criticizing desantis publicly. nikki haley offered disney to come to south carolina. disney could have some fun with that too, right? so i don't know where this is for rhonda santos and how he gets out of it. >> and at the precise moment when this story broke yesterday,

that disney was abandoning florida, and one desantis was taking his hit, where was bob iger? he was at the cannes film festival. he was standing next to harrison ford at the indiana jones five premiere and got a standing ovation. that happen in the same moment. bob iger won this round, to be clear micah, and this seems like such an unforced era. and republicans attacking desantis here for undermining the whole credo the gop is being the party of business, and instead, trying to intervene with government. and it comes as he, his whole pitch is to make america florida. while he is on the extreme right of so many issues right now. and it seems to really contradict, which is his other argument, which i know you're about to tell us about, which is that he is the most electable of the republicans. that he can win nationally and trump can't, but he is boxing self into a corner here with some of the issues on disney in florida that undermined the whole argument. >> he wants to maybe separate

himself from trump, which we will talk about. at the same time, don't separate yourself even worse. this is a politically such a rookie move, to do this gesture politics, to try and own the libs and maybe get in a small subject of the tampa area. a. in the end, you end up costing florida jobs. floridians, they may have the different points of view across the state, but i think they're pretty unanimous on wanting jobs in the state. so a total rookie move on the part of this governor who can't see beyond one foot in front of his face. i'm gonna do this, i'm with you that, i will get them this way, i will get in that way. and then, in the end, loses much bigger. politically, but also florida state. malpractice. if you're the governor of the state of florida and you are driving jobs out of the state because you have petty anger politics, i don't know.

i don't know how that plays on the big stage, and i think he gives trump a lot of material. meanwhile, though i'm a private call with top donors, and supporters ahead of his expected entry into the presidential race next week, right desantis argued he is the most electable republican. a new york times reporter listen to the call yesterday organized a super pac supporting desantis. the reporter quoted desantis as saying, you have basically three people at this point that are credible and this whole thing. biden, trump, in me. and i think of those three, to have a chance to get elected president. biden and me. based on all the data in the swing states, which is not great for the former president and probably insurmountable because people aren't going to change their view of him. sam stein, that may be true, i'm not going to argue with that. i think that if joe was, here he would lift all of the

different times trump has lost for the republican party, but rhonda santos is not batting 1000 in the state of florida. how does he move beyond that onto the big stage? >> well look, i think he probably actually is correct in the sort of broad generalization of the race that he and trump are the most likely to win, and then of the three, he trump and biden have the most likely chance to win the general. but there is one sort of major caveat and there that i think goes into it. we were reporting on it. which is that he has to make the case that trump actually lost in 2020. desantis has skirted that issue about whether the election was rightfully won by joe biden, and joe biden and the president, and that's a major erdogan he has to clear. otherwise, he can make the case that trump is a loser. if you can't concede that he in fact lost. back to the fact about disney, i think that these are intertwined.

i think you're absolutely right. if your entire modus operandi is to fight something that is two feet in front of, you to be reactive to the online politics of the moment, and to live in a conservative echo chamber, then it becomes increasingly hard for you to appeal beyond that echo chamber. this disney fight is just proof of it. if you saw the reaction to it online after the news, the reaction from conservatives online was actually quite, they were cheering on desantis. they said, who needs these jobs? anyway we don't want these people from california coming to florida. there's so much traffic in florida as it is. that is a very short term look at the situation. it does not appreciate the idea that anyone who is not following the sort of very bizarre fight now will look at it and say, wait a second, they just lost a billion dollars in 2000 jobs. how is that a win for desantis. >> coming up, donald trump is losing a lead lawyer from his defense team. we will dig in that new development in the state of the

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>> what have -- one of president trump's top lawyers as quick. jim parlatore was one of the attorneys defending trump and special counsel jack smith's investigation into the handling of classified documents found at mar-a-lago, and the former presidents efforts to overturn the 2020 election. parlatore resigned from trump's legal team this week, saying that he inform trump of the decision directly, and he left the legal team on good terms with the former president. parlatore has called the special counsel's investigation quote, improper, and repeat his criticism of jack smith's investigation in the statement announcing his departure. joining us now, criminal defense attorney and former watergate prosecutor john sale and state attorney for palm beach county florida dave

ehrenberg. good morning for you both, john, i will begin with you, and he says all the right things, mr. parlatore, but there had been some talk about that after hearing donald trump after cnn's town hall talks openly and saying that i took when i took about the classified documents that you no longer could defend him. what is your reading of this move? >> well mister peloton has not said anything publicly critical of donald trump, because ethically, that would've been inappropriate. we can speculate as to why he left. i really don't think it matters. what i was thinking when i was coming on this morning is if we went to hollywood with a former president united states, the front runner to be the republican nominee, he's already under one indictment, he's likely to be under possibly two, three, other indictments, they wouldn't believe it in hollywood. this is a crazy world. but donald trump has the presumption of innocence by the

constitution that he wanted to suspend. so i don't think that we can make any judgments about the fact that mr. parlatore left. i think what we really should focus on is the investigations, and i don't care what bravado donald trump exhibits. i have represented a lot of people being under investigation and being under indictment, and i have to say, it is not fun. it is stressful and he is a client that is not going to listen to council. that is very very difficult and lawyers are independent, they give the best advice, if it's not followed, they might move on without any adverse consequence. and when you're running for president though, you can't keep your mouth shut. like in a client i would say, don't say anything. don't say anything to the media. but once i was running for president, they can't say, i'm not commenting. and so it is just in an untenable situation in the

unbelievable one. >> so jon, also, some of the lawyers for donald trump might be in hot water themselves. so let's talk about the cases. what is your assessment right now, the manhattan one is moving forward slowly. we were all eyes towards georgia in the coming months, when you think things go from here? >> well i think that the georgia, the fulton county district attorney was giving a signal to the feds so that they did not make the same mistake that the manhattan d.a. made a starting with the weakest case. i think they were saying, hey guys, what i am going to do is probably going to bring indictments, it's going to be in the summer. and so if you want to do something first, which may be more appropriate, i'm giving you plenty of time. and so in some, we can talk about the investigations forever, but the mar-a-lago case, it is all about obstruction, and when everything was fine until they got a subpoena, when we got a grand jury subpoena, that was a

game-changer. but at that point, it was no longer not negotiate. the law basically is, you have to turn over everything that is called for it unless it's privileged. and so something is privileged, it's procedure. you say hey, i'm not turning over this, this, and this, because it's privileged. but what you cannot do, you cannot prepare a declaration like one of the lawyers and say, we've done a diligent search, and everything has been turned over. you can't do that unless it is true. and so what they are investigating is, did donald trump hide, conceal, move documents. and they've called -- jackson, he's not been aggressive, he's been thorough. and they've called everybody and they've immunized some of the lawyers, and that call them even the housekeeper. they call them, at mar-a-lago, the chef. they've looked at the surveillance tapes. they wanna make sure if donald trump personally knew that they

were moved. and quickly, the january six investigation, the main thing i think there, is to see whether or not dome trump had the requisite intent of the insurrection is the vice president. and executive privilege is real. it is a real privilege. the conversations between vice president and the president are sacred, but that is overcome if it is part of a criminal conspiracy. despite what mike pence says publicly, he talked to the president on january six, he talked to him before, and he talked to him after, and i think that those conversations will show if donald trump is personally culpable. but as i said, the constitution that he trashes, the judges the trump trashes, they are all going to protect him, because that is what our system is all about. >> hey david, sam stein here. to get back to the original story about the lawyer quitting, look, i know you are a prosecutor and defense lawyer, but i'm just curious, have you ever seen a client like this,

someone who steps in it with his own legal cases all the time who is unreliable in terms of paying for his legal counsel, whose own lawyers and up in legal trouble. if you are approached by donald trump, to be a defense lawyer, how would you go about even considering the case at this junction. i'm curious about your thoughts on what he is like as a client. on what he is li>> good to be w. as a prosecutor, i don't have to worry about those things with my clients. i've never seen a client like it. jon sale actually turned down donald trump. it's good to be with jon, and he had his own recent support. to me, what's that with the departure of tim parlatore is that he is the same lawyer who woke a letter to congress setting out trump's defenses. he said that it was trump's aides, not trump, who hastily packed up the boxes and ship them down to florida. trump's hands were supposedly clean. and then trump would on that live town hall meeting the other day and said, no, he's the one who did. it trump did in himself and

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>> some pretty surprising news over the weekend coming from the washington post. they have actually at the top of the page today that the head of the wagner group actually was talking about turning on the russians, giving up positions of russian troops in kyiv so that the ukrainians can kill the russians in exchange

for kyiv backing off going against the wagner group in bakhmut. >> yeah, the story really sends shockwaves around washington and european capitals a lot, with kyiv in this war against russia. and let's get into it indeed. ahead of a anticipated counteroffensive by ukraine against russian forces, the post, as joe just said, reports that the head of the wagner group made in extraordinary offer. i will read from it. if ukraine's commanders withdrew their soldiers from the area around bakhmut, he would give tv information on russian troop positions, which ukraine could use to attack them. this is according to previously unreported u.s. intelligence documents. nbc news has not reviewed the documents in question. meanwhile, ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy wrapped up eight visit to france, meeting with president macron, who announced afterwards that his nations providing more military

aid to ukraine, including armored vehicles and light tanks. today, president zelenskyy is visiting the united kingdom, where more military aid is to be announced. a few days ago, he was in berlin. the germans have said that they will do the same. joining us now, former u.s. ambassador to ukraine, marie yovanovitch. her memoir, lessons from the edge, is now out in paperback and includes a new afterward about russia's war in ukraine. madam ambassador, great to see this morning. let's start with getting your reaction to that story. the idea that the head of the wagner group, which of course is prominent here, particularly in the fight around bakhmut, that he might be willing to deal with the ukrainians, to sell out the positions of russian troops. we know that there is some divide between him in the kremlin. we should note that it looks like the ukrainians did not take him up on it, but what do you think this says about the state of putin's war? >> yeah, you know, just when you think that you cannot be surprised anymore, you get surprised by what is going on

in russia. it is a little hard to judge this, whether this is a straightforward offer of working with ukrainians, or whether it is a double cross. i think we need more information. but clearly, a lot is happening in russia today, particularly in moscow. the various formations, whether it is wagner, whether it is the regular military, whether it is the chechens, they're all scorpions in a bottle trying to be the first among equals. >> murray, richard haass here, what do you think ukraine is making such a stand at bakhmut? it goes way beyond any military significance. in some, ways it trains resources from a larger military operation which is strategically more significant. what is going on here. is the symbol that important? is this simply about politics? or is there something more? >> i think you are right. i think it is symbolic. it was important to russia, and it has been important all along to putin.

most recently, he wants to take bakhmut by may 9th victory day. that obviously did not happen, and because it was so important to russia into putin personally, it became important to the ukrainians and to president zelenskyy himself. and so they've really thrown a lot at this. obviously, they have really affected the russians, but they've taken a lot of casualties themselves as well. >> they've taken a lot of casualties themselves. obviously, the cost of the russians have been heinous. so i'm wondering if they knew, if that was their strategy to inflict such heavy damage that you would have even the head of the wagner group trying to make a deal with kyiv. of course they cannot foresee that, but they certainly could foresee the waves of russians just running towards their guns and running to their deaths. >> yeah, i think you are right.

that certainly is a strategy for a long time. it was not clear that it was going to be successful. still not completely clear, but the ukrainians over the last week or so have managed to clock in some gains. two square miles of gained territory, which is important, important in bakhmut in important symbolically. >> ambassador, it's jen psaki, i wanted to ask, you there's been some reports about the amount of money left for the ukrainians from the united states is winding down, and will wind down the summer. this pitch to democrats and republicans is a tricky one. and so i want to ask you just about how concerned you are watching this, in what you think they need to be conveying to u.s. officials about what is happening on the ground and why they need more funding. >> i think you can see that zelenskyy is making a european tour right now. i would not be surprised, and

have the information on this, but i would be surprised if he would come to the night states as well to explain directly to leaders what is happening and what their plans are, the next steps forward. obviously, the expected counteroffensive whenever it comes, and if ukraine's not making announcement on this, what date the russians should be ready. but when it comes, it's going to be important. we don't to read too much into what happens at the end of it, because even if it is wildly successful beyond everybody's dreams, it is not going to be the end of the war. we need to be in this for the long haul for as long as it takes, as president biden says. >> coming up, we'll speak with a florida teacher who says she is being investigated by state officials after showing students a disney movie that happens to feature a character who is biracial and gay. the latest on that when morning

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biracial and gay. jenna barbee released a tiktok video saying that the florida department of education is now looking into whether she broke the states law, barring public school teachers from talking about gender and sexual when you take from students. the movie in question is the pg rated anime film strange world about a family of legendary explores. it features a biracial, gay character who has a crush on another male character in the movie. barbie said that she showed her students the science fiction film on may 3rd because it tied entering classes signs lessons, and she was looking to give her students a break after a full day of standardized testing. the teacher also says that she received sign permission slips from parents to show her students pg rated films at the beginning of the school year. earlier this week, barbie said --

barbee said she submitted her resignation from the school a week before showing a movie because of politics, and the fear of not being able to be who you are in florida public schools. in response to requests for comment, a spokesperson for the education department outlined its process for investigating alleged teacher misconduct, but would not comment on the allegations against barbee specifically. and jenna barbee joins us now. thank you so much for coming on the show this morning. were you approached by state investigators or questioned by the school? how did things unfold, and how did they discover that you showed the movie. >> so it all started the day after i showed the movie. one of the edmund came to my classroom and told me that i needed to go to the principles office, where she told me that a school board member has come to our school and tried to come as a school board member, and she said now, you can come as a

concerned parent, and so she did. and so the school board member scheduled a meeting, and later that day, i got trolled that i played this movie and that it had these questionable lessons in it and that her daughter was uncomfortable. i did not know that i had been reported. i never wanna make a pseudonym comfortable, so my immediate reaction was, i am sorry, i learn my lesson and i'm a first year teacher, i'm a first your mom, and it's been a lot this year. and so i followed protocol what the school had at the time, in changed two days later by the way, but i follow the protocols, and i thought everything was fine. then i get home and find out that i had been reported for indoctrination, because she called my dad, since he is a politician to, and she called him to say, oh, if i knew this was your daughter, i never would have called. and so you really protecting children or isn't a political thing? it's kind of hard to tell.

>> so jenna, you resigned a week before you showed the movie, am i correct by that? that you are planning on leaving? okay. and am i correct that it was the politics in florida these rules, these bands that were part of your resignation? or whether something else? >> no, more so the politics like within the school system. i did not know much about the top top politics at all. i meant more like the standards, when i met politics, the things that teachers are held to now, because the reason i went teaching in the first place, is because i used to do therapy, and when i worked with special needs kids, we did a lot of social, emotional, and naturalistic teaching, working on emotional intelligence, and that was the main thing that i want to bring in on a larger scale, and that is why i became a teacher. i quickly learned that that is not possible [inaudible] . >> not possible. and for those who would ask,

why did you show the movie, i mean some might say, oh, she is trying to cause trouble with these bands, and push back against, i don't know, bans about showing disney movies, i don't understand it, but because of the don't say gay rules and other things, was there anything there that you are pushing back against by showing the movie? why did you show it? >> i did not even know that was a thing. the reason i showed it was because of its earth elements, and i will say that again and again, because it is the truth. if you ask any of my students, i am a huge earth advocate, i tell them all the time how it's a lie. i make them pick up trash before recess, because i want them to learn to take care of the earth, and since we were doing ecosystems and earth and science at the time than it was the perfect opportunity to show this new movie that the majority of them haven't seen that shows how the earth is alive. it has a heart in this movie. >> wow, well we'll be following this story, and we wish you well.

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>> a recent cdc survey finds that nearly three and five teen girls say they felt persistent sadness or hopelessness. that is the highest rate in a decade. 30% said that they have seriously considered dying by suicide, a percentage that has risen by nearly 60% over the past ten years. our next guest says that social media may play a factor and higher depression rates among kids and teens. joining us now, professor of

psychology at san diego state university, dr. jean twinge. doctor, thank you so much for being here -- doctor 20, i'm sorry, thank you for being here this morning. you are the officer of -- gen z, millennials, and what they mean for the future and the survey of course is focused so much on younger americans grappling with sadness and with depression. tell us what you found as the world's social media me play. >> yes, i've been doing this work on generational differences for a long time. i get used to seeing changes that were big but they take a decade or two to get there. but then all of a sudden, around 2012, these indicators of teen mental health like depression, anxiety, self harm and suicidal thoughts started to rise, and the rose really quickly over a short period of time. so between 2011, 2019, teen depression doubled. and so this is a problem that

has been going on for at least ten years, long before the pandemic, and it what it does coincide with is the rise of smartphones and especially social media among teens. >> so a recent new york times op-ed that has the title, what are toxic culture does to the young cite your book, doctor. columnist david brooks writes this. the members of gen z are now practicing the slow life strategy with a vengeance. they've already transformed adolescents. as high school seniors, they are less likely to do the things associated with adulthood and independents, like drinking alcohol, working for pay or having sex. jim's ears grew up with hyper cautious parenting that exaggerate the dangerous in life. they grew up in a media culture that generates ratings and clicks by generating division and anger. they grew up in a political culture that magnifies a sense of menace, the presumes that

other people are toxic, in order to tell simplistic us them stories and mobilize people's fears. people who grew up in this culture of distrust are bound to adopt self protective codes of behavior. they are bound to be pessimistic about life and are also less likely to believe they can control their own destinies. so doctor, what can be done about this? certainly laying out the construct their, and perhaps well-meaning, but overly protected parents creating this culture of fear. how worried are you? >> well i am really concerned about the mental health impacts of technology. so in terms of what can we do? we can raise the minimum age for social media to 16 and actually verify age. we can require parental permission to open a social media account, because we know that the more hours a day that a team spends on social media,

the more likely it is he or she is going to be depressed, and that impact is the strongest at the youngest ages. these are the trends are not as negative. they have trade-offs. most parents are thrilled that high school students are not as likely to have sex or drink alcohol, but it also means that they're less likely to go out with their friends, they're less likely to have a drivers license. and less likely to have a job. and so they are doing these adult activities later, and that is not a good or all bad, but it does mean that when they graduate from high school, they have less experience with independents, and that can also have an impact on mental health, especially when they have to make these decisions to have to be independent, when we just don't have as much experience with that. >> dr., this is jim psaki, my daughters almost eight, and like many parents of kids that age, i wonder, what should we be doing when our kids are not

yet teenagers but they are starting to be exposed to social media for a range of ways. their recommendation? when should they get a phone? what do they have access to on the phone? these are the types of things that i discuss with my friends all of the time. and so i would love to know what your thoughts are. and so i would>> sure. so i have three kids myself, they are 16, 13, and 11. so my first suggestion is put off getting a smartphone for your kid for as long as you possibly can, and then, if they need to take the bus or something else, get them a old-fashioned flip phone, or get them a pared down smartphone like a gob phone because a 13-year-old has one of those, you can call, and text and take pictures. and that is it. so there is no ability to play games or, more importantly, to download a social media app. because it's a problem. parental permission, kids can download it and spend a ton of time on it sometimes without

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essential -- quintessential disk -- dish of puerto rican cuisine. [speaking non-english] >> tell me why. >> it is the ultimate metaphor of what puerto rico's, which is a mix of races that we have going on. so you're eating -- that is wrapped in this is that came from africa, and there are some vegetables that are indigenous. nobody grows the [bleep] here. and so you add the meat with the fork. >> i have to ask you, some people have told me [inaudible] >> and that is united states. [laughter] >> that's a look at the new

season of the who show takes the nation to hosted by executive producer padma lakshmi. the series takes viewers across the nation with padma to explore the rich food and culture of immigrant groups and the nine states. the show second season is streaming now on hulu. joining us now is padma lakshmi. she's also the host, executive producer of top chef, which believe or not, it's currently in his 20th season. padma, great to see you. >> thank you for having me. >> this really shows great fun. great cultures clearly. you have the debate about catch up in puerto rico. and as is the case with all of these episodes of face the nation, that discussion wasn't really about ketchup, it was about something else. and so you get food, but you also get a little culture in politics as well. >> exactly. the show is called face the nation because it is a play on face the nation, and it is a direct result of might work with the aclu on immigrant rights, and we start work with them in 2016 after that election for obvious reasons.

there was a lot of vitriol about immigrants, which i took umbrage with as an immigrant in this country and i wanted to do something using everything that i had learned working with them, but in an artistic and creative way in my professional life, and that is how taste the nation was born. i didn't really to speak to hopefully not people who think like me or vote like me, but to people and red states who are maybe afraid of immigration or afraid of diversity, and i'm hoping that it will make every american curious about their fellow americans, because you know, layers and layers over decades and decades of immigrants are what i think make this country so powerful. not only economically or militarily, but also as far as pop culture, cuisine, all sorts of things, the microcosm of the best of the world because of all the people who have contributed to our culture and our economy make, in my opinion,

america's superpower. >> and food is such a great way in. it's something that we all enjoy together. it is not political, but you can sit and have a conversation about some corny stuff over a good meal. and you really travel a country from appalachia to a great episode and houston, texas. what did you find when you went to houston? >> while houston has the largest nigerian american population and the nation. and most people who don't live in houston may not realize how big that population is. that group, that community, the nigerian americans in america are the most educated of any americans. so even more than asians, which is the stereotype. they have more advanced degrees than anybody, and they come here for all sorts of reasons. academia, the oil industry in texas, and when we go into a community and we look at who they are and we let them tell their story, the show is about letting me give my platform to people who usually don't get a list, high caliber attention.

when you go, there we try to also have a thesis for each episode that extrapolates another facet of this huge subject, which is so integral to the forming and the evolution of this, which is immigration. of course, nigerian americans are perceived as just black, especially those nigerian americans who have grown up in this country, like me. i'm indian, but i've grown up in this country. but in that episode, we're also tackling blackness in america. and someone who is obviously not black, it was a very sensitive subject that i wanted to make sure i waited carefully into, but while i may not know what it's like to stand in somebody's shoes who is african american, i certainly know what it's like to stand next to them all my life and see what is happening to them. and so we talk about blackness not being a monolith, and nigerian american mothers and fathers feeling like they did

not, they don't carry the burden and heritage of all of what black americans do, and yet it's foisted upon the shoulders. when a cop pulls their son over, they're not going to say oh, you're nigerian, oh, you can go. you are black, and so they have to contend with it even though they may not initially identify with some of the same issues that left over from jim crow and et cetera. >> that does it for us. we are back though monday morning at 6 am eastern. have a wonderful rest of your weekend. weekend. >> this is the katie phang show live from msnbc world headquarters and new york city. we have lots of news to cover and lots of questions to answer, so let's get started. money on his mind? the debt ceiling steel. -- looming large over president biden's trip to the g7